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Stanje: rabljeno, prevoženi kilometri: 74.000 km, moč: 94 kW (127,80 KM), število postelj: 2, vrsta goriva: dizel, vrsta prenosa: mehanski, prva registracija: 04/2004, naslednji pregled (TÜV): 05/2026, skupna dolžina: 7.720 mm, skupna širina: 2.260 mm, skupna višina: 2.780 mm, konfiguracija osi: 3 osi, skupna masa: 4.500 kg, Oprema: kopalnica, Viewing is only possible by prior telephone appointment!!! Vehicle location: 41066 Mönchengladbach Base vehicle: Fiat 2.8 JTDi with 94 kW * The motorhome is from first ownership and well maintained both inside and outside * TÜV valid until 05/2026 * Get in and drive off with joy * Commercial license required Timing belt, water pump, V-belt, etc. replaced at approx. 70,000 km (see photos of invoices) Equipment: * AL-KO AMC chassis (enhanced safety, greater comfort) * Awning * Solar system * TV * Power steering * Refrigerator with separate freezer compartment * 3-burner stove * Stainless steel sink * Hot water boiler * Fresh water tank * Waste water tank * Trumatic circulating air heating * 2x gas bottle holders * Fly screens on all windows * Blackout blinds on all windows * Wardrobe * Roof hatches * Toilet * Shower hardly ever used (used for drying laundry) * Tires will be renewed summer 2025 * Number of berths: 2 * Number of seats: 4 (according to vehicle registration) * Number of seat belts: 3 * Unladen weight: 3,470 kg * Gross weight: 4,500 kg * Payload: 1,030 kg * Dimensions (L/W/H): 7,720/2,260/2,780 mm * Additional extras * The unmatched performance level of the AL-KO AMC CHASSIS is based on hot-dip galvanized low and high-frame lightweight construction and the AL-KO developed wide-track chassis with independent wheel suspension. An innovative concept for increased safety, improved driving dynamics, and noticeably higher ride comfort! * The lowered center of gravity significantly improves road holding – drive safely through every curve and side wind issues are a thing of the past! Ledpfxjyygqps Aifohg * For further information, please call (also via WhatsApp) * Test drives are of course possible by prior arrangement. * Available by phone on Sundays and public holidays. * Trade-in of your old motorhome or caravan is possible. * The details stated in advertisements, on the internet, price tags, and photos are non-binding descriptions and do not constitute guaranteed features. The seller assumes no liability for typographical and data transmission errors. Listed equipment must be checked separately if required. All specifications in the listings are non-binding and without guarantee.

Stanje: dober (rabljeno), prevoženi kilometri: 66.500 km, moč: 107 kW (145,48 KM), število postelj: 4, število sedežev: 4, vrsta goriva: dizel, vrsta prenosa: mehanski, barva: bela, prva registracija: 10/2004, naslednji pregled (TÜV): 10/2026, proizvajalec šasij: Fiat, model šasije: ZFA24400007464820, skupna dolžina: 8.341 mm, skupna širina: 2.245 mm, skupna višina: 2.920 mm, konfiguracija osi: 3 osi, emisijski razred: Euro 3, lastna masa: 3.820 kg, največja dovoljena obremenitev: 5.000 kg, položaj volana: levo, število prejšnjih lastnikov: 2, Leto izdelave: 2004, Dethleffs Globetrotter Esprit 7870 – First registered 2004 – 66,500km / Air Conditioning Really well-maintained motorhome from second owner, extensively equipped with practical extras. Location: 68623 Lampertheim, Germany More photos and a 360° tour available upon request. Technical data: • Dethleffs Globetrotter Esprit 7870 • First registration: 10/2004 • 66,500km • 2 owners • Euro 3 • 4 belted seats • Chassis: Fiat Ducato 107kW / 142hp • Diesel, manual transmission • Permissible gross weight: 5,000kg • TÜV valid until 10/2026 Recently serviced: • Timing belt • Inspections + oil change • Immobilizer • Drive shaft and new ABS sensor • New tires • Alde heating system checked • Alde antifreeze fully replaced • New Duomatic with all hoses • New wastewater regulator • Refrigerator repaired • New habitation battery • Brakes replaced 4 years ago Upgrades & Existing Extras: • Air suspension • Roof air conditioning • Alde heating • Underfloor heating – double floor • Winter Polar Package • Solar / habitation battery • Inverter • Satellite system with TV • Air conditioning unit • 6m awning • Manual levelling supports • External shower • Large transverse rear bed (150x200cm), electric height adjustment • Drop-down bed at front (fabric wall on the left needs repair) • Large skylight with lighting • Duo Crash Control • Toilet with SOG system • Oven • Kitchen with pull-out shelves • Large bathroom with integrated separate shower • Garage with storage box system – all accessories accumulated over years of camping can be included if desired • HEO Safe door lock – supplied but not yet installed • Insulation mats/cover for front windows • Bicycle rack Minor scratches on rear right exterior (visible in photos) Awning electrics defective, needs repair – manual operation works flawlessly The vehicle is accident-free and being sold by the owner due to changed travel plans. We act as brokers on behalf of the seller, with no cost to the buyer. Your advantages when buying or selling a motorhome through our brokerage service: • We create photos (incl. decoration) & advert text and handle communication • We work exclusively with reputable sellers; the vehicle and documentation are personally verified • No intermediaries, better terms • Secure payment processing, more safety for both parties • Accompanied vehicle handover with detailed protocol – giving the buyer an extra level of security, as all functions are checked • If desired, we also assist with the sale of your current camper • Support available for financing queries and mechanical breakdown insurance (similar to dealer warranty) Lhsdpfx Asy Eykaoifsg Despite all care and diligence, errors in this vehicle description cannot be completely ruled out. The description is for general informational purposes only and does not constitute a legally binding contract component. Only the agreements in the purchase contract are decisive. A detailed list of equipment (to be checked separately) will be provided by your Motorhomedepot broker. For international buyers: • Support with organizing export license plates and all necessary documents • Communication also possible in English

Stanje: zelo dobro (rabljeno), Funkcionalnost: popolnoma funkcionalen, prevoženi kilometri: 132.000 km, moč: 132,39 kW (180,00 KM), število postelj: 2, število sedežev: 4, vrsta goriva: dizel, vrsta prenosa: samodejen, barva: bela, prva registracija: 11/2015, naslednji pregled (TÜV): 11/2026, proizvajalec šasij: Alko, model šasije: Alko, skupna dolžina: 7.600 mm, skupna širina: 2.300 mm, skupna višina: 2.950 mm, konfiguracija osi: 1 os, emisijski razred: noben, skupna masa: 4.500 kg, največja dovoljena obremenitev: 6.000 kg, položaj volana: levo, število prejšnjih lastnikov: 2, Leto izdelave: 2015, številka stroja/vozila: 3918 JKD, Oprema: ABS, Android Auto, airbag, elektronski program stabilnosti (ESP), enojna postelja, klimatska naprava, kopalnica, markiza, meglenke, nadzor oprijema, navigacijski sistem, parkirni senzorji, popolna servisna zgodovina, prha, računalnik na krovu, satelitska antena, servovolan, sistem za imobilizacijo, sončna elektrarna, spojka prikolice, tempomat, vgradna kuhinja, vozilo za nekadilce, Niesmann Bischoff Arto 76 2015, 130.000 km 3.0 Francoska postelja, 4 potniki Dobro vzdrževano in v odličnem stanju Veliko dodatne opreme, vključno s skuterjem Piaggio Liberty 125 letnik 2021 Usnjeni sedeži Satelitska navigacija Avtomatski menjalnik Zračno nivelacijsko vzmetenje Vgrajen generator Victron solarni regulator 400 W Sistem za polnjenje skuterja Skuter Piaggio Liberty 125 2021 Klimatska naprava v bivalnem delu Talno ogrevanje Alde Lhsdpfxjyi Aake Aifsg Plinska pečica Vlečna kljuka Samodejna satelitska antena Oyster Sistem shranjevanja v garaži Stranska stena tende Popolnoma prilagojena vodoodporna prevleka

Stanje: rabljeno, prevoženi kilometri: 149.000 km, moč: 134 kW (182,19 KM), število postelj: 2, vrsta goriva: dizel, vrsta prenosa: mehanski, prva registracija: 03/2006, skupna dolžina: 8.360 mm, skupna širina: 2.510 mm, skupna višina: 3.430 mm, konfiguracija osi: 2 osi, skupna masa: 7.490 kg, Oprema: klimatska naprava, kopalnica, navigacijski sistem, parkirni grelec, Viewing strictly by prior telephone appointment only! Vehicle location: 41066 Mönchengladbach Base vehicle: Iveco – 134 kW, 6-cylinder * The motorhome is fully winterproof * New TÜV (German roadworthiness inspection) * Just get in and set off with confidence Recent full service, vehicle frame derusted and sealed. TÜV will be renewed prior to handover. _____ * ALDE water-based heating * Awning * Solar system * TV * Power steering * Refrigerator with separate freezer compartment * 3-burner stove * Stainless steel sink * Hot water boiler * Fresh water tank * Waste water tank * Fixed gas tank * Space for 2 gas bottle holders * Fly screens on all windows * Blackout roller blinds on all windows * Wardrobe * Roof hatches * WC * Separate shower * Number of berths: 2 * Number of seats: 4 * Unladen weight: 6,500 kg * Gross vehicle weight: 7,490 kg Ledpfxeyza S Ne Aifshg * Payload: 990 kg * Dimensions (L/W/H): 8,360 / 2,510 / 3,430 mm * And other extras * Electric stabilizing jacks * Commercial license required * If you have further questions, please call (also via WhatsApp) _____ * Test drives are, of course, possible by prior arrangement. * Available by phone on Sundays and public holidays. * Trade-in of your old motorhome or caravan is possible. _____ * The details provided in advertisements, online listings, price tags, and images are non-binding descriptions and do not constitute guaranteed specifications. The seller assumes no liability for typographical or transmission errors. Listed equipment may need to be verified separately. All information in the adverts is non-binding and provided without warranty.

Stanje: rabljeno, prevoženi kilometri: 31.209 km, moč: 149 kW (202,58 KM), število postelj: 5, vrsta goriva: dizel, vrsta prenosa: samodejen, prva registracija: 08/2011, skupna dolžina: 9.700 mm, skupna širina: 2.440 mm, skupna višina: 3.200 mm, konfiguracija osi: 2 osi, emisijski razred: Euro 4, skupna masa: 7.273 kg, Leto izdelave: 2011, Oprema: ABS, klimatska naprava, kopalnica, navigacijski sistem, parkirni grelec, * Bivalno vozilo Damon Avanti * 4,5 L Maxxforce motor * !!!Prodaja po naročilu stranke!!! * Inverter Votronic * 1700 W * 4 moduli po 400 W * 2x 200 Ah litijeva baterija Lhsdpfx Aoyzbulsifeg * Trippler * Nova električna napeljava * Nove pnevmatike * Novi žarometi * Nova ogledala (M-B MP3 predelava) * 5 ležišč * 4 sedeži * WC * Tuš * 2x TV (spalnica in dnevni prostor) * Kamera zadaj * Kuhinja * Nov tepih * Novo usnjeno oblazinjenje (vrednost 10.000¤) * Rezervoar za odpadno vodo in fekalije: vsak cca 120 l * Sveža voda: cca 120 l * Plinski rezervoar 100 l * Zunanji plinski priključek * Zunanji priključek za vodo (za tuš) * Hidravlične podporne noge * Tempomat * Takoj na voljo * Pridržujemo si pravico do napak

Stanje: rabljeno, prevoženi kilometri: 161.541 km, moč: 85 kW (115,57 KM), število postelj: 4, vrsta goriva: dizel, vrsta prenosa: mehanski, barva: bela, prva registracija: 04/1998, naslednji pregled (TÜV): 05/2028, konfiguracija osi: 2 osi, emisijski razred: euro2, skupna masa: 3.400 kg, Leto izdelave: 1998, * 14.900,- € * HYMER / ERIBA / HYMERCAR B 544 Potpuno integrisan, Fiat 2.5 Tdi 85 kW spuštajući krevet + centralna sedišna grupa + bočna sedišna grupa + tenda Lhjdpfxjy Sklhs Aifog * Centralna sedišna grupa * Bočna sedišna grupa * Kuhinja * Toalet * Spuštajući (preklopni) krevet * Nosač za bicikle * Topla voda * Frižider * Grejanje * Tenda * Međuosovinsko rastojanje 320 cm * Neto masa 2.720 kg * Nosivost 680 kg * Dozvoljena ukupna masa 3.400 kg * Broj vozila: 7 RADNO VREME Ponedeljak - petak od 09:00 do 17:00 (posle dogovora...) KONTAKT Telefon: WhatsApp: E-mail: Prevoznicke i izvozne registarske tablice (izvozni broj) dostupni kod nas. Pridržavamo se prava na greške u pisanju i prethodnu prodaju. Tehničke informacije i karakteristike opreme su predmet posebne provere. Ugovorena ispravnost je isključivo ona koja se pri zaključenju kupovine pregleda na licu mesta i pismeno potvrdi. Molimo Vas da se prethodno dogovorite za termin...

Stanje: zelo dobro (rabljeno), Funkcionalnost: popolnoma funkcionalen, prevoženi kilometri: 39.290 km, moč: 125 kW (169,95 KM), število postelj: 3, število sedežev: 6, vrsta goriva: dizel, vrsta prenosa: mehanski, barva: srebrn, prva registracija: 07/2022, naslednji pregled (TÜV): 10/2026, proizvajalec šasij: Mercedes Benz, model šasije: Sprinter, skupna dolžina: 8.070 mm, skupna širina: 2.340 mm, skupna višina: 3.120 mm, konfiguracija osi: 2 osi, emisijski razred: Euro 6, poraba goriva (kombinirana): 12 l/100 km, poraba goriva (mestna vožnja): 13 l/100 km, kapaciteta rezervoarja za gorivo: 90 l, skupna masa: 4.500 kg, lastna masa: 4.100 kg, obratovalna teža: 4.500 kg, največja dovoljena obremenitev: 4.500 kg, položaj volana: levo, število prejšnjih lastnikov: 1, Leto izdelave: 2021, Oprema: ABS, AdBlue, airbag, celoletne pnevmatike, centralno zaklepanje, elektronski program stabilnosti (ESP), enojna postelja, filter saj, klimatska naprava, kopalnica, markiza, meglenke, nadzor oprijema, navigacijski sistem, osrednja razmestitev sedežev, parkirni grelec, popolna servisna zgodovina, prha, računalnik na krovu, registracija vozila, satelitska antena, servovolan, sistem za imobilizacijo, sončna elektrarna, tempomat, vgradna kuhinja, vozilo za nekadilce, Carthago Chic e-line 51 QB – Mercedes-Benz LUXURY, COMFORT & QUALITY – LIKE NEW CONDITION – BARELY USED! A first-class motorhome awaits its new owner: This exceptionally well-maintained Carthago Chic e-line 51 QB based on Mercedes-Benz convinces with full equipment, exclusive extras, and an almost new condition rarely found on the market. VEHICLE DETAILS Model: Carthago Chic e-line 51 QB Engine: Mercedes-Benz drivetrain technology Condition: accident-free, serviced exclusively by authorized workshops, full service record Number of owners: only one driver Usage: just six trips in 3 years Non-smoker vehicle No winter driving High-grade interior equipment Separate bathroom partition (extra room) This motorhome was used almost exclusively for driving, not for living. Toilet, shower, and kitchen are virtually unused Interior as new, including new vehicle smell No signs of wear, no damage, no signs of excessive use EQUIPMENT & EXTRAS Full / luxury equipment Numerous retrofitted comfort and technology features Complete motorhome setup available and practically unused Mercedes-Benz driving comfort paired with Carthago premium quality SPECIAL FEATURES This vehicle was only used for transport between company locations and a foreign subsidiary – no holiday use, no long-term stays. This makes it a true highlight for enthusiasts seeking new vehicle quality at a used price. Additional EXTRAS and ACCESSORIES worth approx. EUR 7,250 - Custom-made seat covers (driver/co-driver black) - Carrier for motorcycle/scooter/bicycle (removable) - Microwave (above refrigerator) - Third auxiliary battery - Fast battery charger (under driver's seat) - Additional securing straps (garage) Lhedpfx Aoy Rr Dcoifeg - Height-adjustable table for additional bed - Additional bed - Built-in safe for valuables FURTHER ACCESSORIES - Steering wheel armored anti-theft lock - Additional outdoor solar system with storage module - Travel washing machine - Extra-large outdoor carpet approx. 8 x 4 meters (only used once) - Premium motorhome dishes, glasses, cutlery (by Fritz Berger) - Special motorhome cable reel, power connection cable - Large wheel chocks - Custom-made, unused bed linens What is the manufacturer's current price for this vehicle? Carthago (base price) €188,930 Carthago Special Equipment €45,539 Additional Extras & Accessories €4,750 Current vehicle price: €239,219 SUMMARY An almost unused premium motorhome with Mercedes-Benz technology, exceptionally well cared for, technically and visually in top condition, with an extensive range of extras and accessories. Ideal for anyone who values ultimate comfort, reliability, and style – and wants to secure a true bargain.

Stanje: novo, prevoženi kilometri: 100 km, moč: 132 kW (179,47 KM), število postelj: 4, vrsta goriva: dizel, vrsta prenosa: samodejen, barva: bela, skupna dolžina: 7.450 mm, skupna širina: 2.350 mm, skupna višina: 2.950 mm, konfiguracija osi: 2 osi, emisijski razred: Euro 6, skupna masa: 4.400 kg, Oprema: ABS, centralno zaklepanje, elektronski program stabilnosti (ESP), filter saj, klimatska naprava, kopalnica, ROLLER TEAM: Solid quality at a fair price! DELIVERY TIME: Now in stock! Ledevrnxgopfx Aifjhg Please arrange an appointment! You can reach us daily at Please be sure to read on! Original photos! Various 287 MH models with automatic and manual transmission available! All with 180 HP and extremely comprehensive equipment! Multiple Kronos and Zefiro models in stock and incoming! Livingstone models available in various versions! // THE fully integrated motorhome with ample SPACE FOR 4 PEOPLE! ----* Roller Team Zefiro 287 MH Model Year 2024 * Bedroom with single beds and generous storage space * XL garage with 300 KG loading capacity * Heavy chassis 4,400 KG, over 1,000 KG payload permitted * Separate bathroom and shower! * 4 registered seats * Spacious interior thanks to face-to-face seating area * 4 berths including double drop-down bed 1850 x 1340 mm * Standard Truma combi heating, here as diesel/electric heater * Base vehicle Fiat Ducato with the latest technology! * - Camping car special chassis * - Wide-track rear axle * - Euro 6d engine, 2.2 L, 178 HP and 450 Nm * - 9-speed ZF automatic transmission. One of the last ones!!! * - ESP (Electronic Stability Program) * - ASR (Anti-Slip Regulation) * - Hill start assist * - Immobilizer * - Air conditioning * - Electric windows * - Central locking The following extensive special features are already included: * Solar system * Charging booster * Thule awning 4.5 meters * 4-bike rack * Automatic climate control * Traction+ * Tire pressure monitoring system (TPMS) * Enlarged 90-liter fuel tank "Selekt" package included with: * - "Selekt" decal * - 9-speed ZF automatic transmission (a dream!) * - "Graphite" upholstery "Fiat Zefiro MH 180" package included with: * - Powerful engine: 178 HP and 450 Nm * - Cab air conditioning * - 16" alloy wheels * - Fiat 7" radio with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto * - Reversing camera with dual lens * - Driver and passenger airbags * - Cruise control/speed limiter * - Heated, electrically adjustable exterior mirrors with automated defrost * - Cab pleated blinds * - Solar system * - Seat covers for cab seats * - Flex-Space (where possible) "TV/Sat" package included with: * - TV mount * - TELECO TeleSat BT 65 Twin satellite antenna * - 22" TV "Warm Winter Diesel Electric" package included with: * - Diesel combi heater with 6KW * - Electric heating element with 1,800 watts when connected to external power * - Insulated entry step * - Heated waste water pipes * - Heated waste water tank * - Light wood furniture, "Graphite" upholstery * - Skyroof - panoramic roof hatch * - Fly screen door * - Special design equipment features * - Luxury habitation door with window, 2 locking points, and central locking * - Bed with slatted frame and breathable mattresses * - Cab blackout system * - 3x roof hatch (depending on model) * - TV mount tiltable and swiveling (depending on model) * - Lowered gas compartment * - INet X Pro control panel, app control possible * - Tire repair kit * - Drop-down bed above lounge 1850 x 1340 mm - Rear single beds, each 2030 x 800 mm For more information, visit our Roller Team homepage: * ---- // SEE FOR YOURSELF

Stanje: rabljeno, prevoženi kilometri: 369.702 km, moč: 260 kW (353,50 KM), prva registracija: 03/2009, vrsta goriva: dizel, število sedežev: 54, vrsta prenosa: mehanski, naslednji pregled (TÜV): 05/2026, emisijski razred: Euro 5, barva: srebrn, zavore: retarder, Leto izdelave: 2009, Oprema: ABS, elektronski program stabilnosti (ESP), filter saj, klimatska naprava, kopalnica, parkirni grelec, Setra 415 UL GT iz 1. roke, ročni menjalnik, 54 ležišč/20 stojišč, klimatska naprava, Euro 5. Trenutno stanje kilometrov: 369.702 km, motor in različni drugi deli zamenjani pri 205.000 km. Motor ima prevoženih 164.702 km. Lodpfown Awusx Aifjhg Neto cena: 64.000 EUR O vizualnem in tehničnem stanju se lahko prepričate osebno na kraju samem. Podpiramo vas pri izvozu z originalno potrditvijo podatkov za homologacijo v državi, izjavo dobavitelja, pripravo izvoznih dokumentov in carinskimi tablicami, če je potrebno. Ogled in testna vožnja sta možna kadarkoli, tudi ob koncih tedna, po predhodnem telefonskem dogovoru! Odkup in prevoz vozila na zahtevo. Obiščite našo Facebook stran.

Stanje: novo, moč: 103 kW (140,04 KM), število postelj: 4, vrsta goriva: dizel, vrsta prenosa: samodejen, barva: bela, skupna dolžina: 6.980 mm, skupna širina: 2.320 mm, skupna višina: 2.910 mm, konfiguracija osi: 2 osi, emisijski razred: Euro 6, skupna masa: 3.850 kg, Oprema: ABS, centralno zaklepanje, elektronski program stabilnosti (ESP), filter saj, klimatska naprava, kopalnica, With us, you will find one of the largest exhibitions for our brands Bürstner, Carado, Eriba, Hymer, and Roadcar. Attractive financing options are available, with terms up to 180 months – even with no down payment – and tailored insurance coverage via RMV for all our new and used vehicles. Lhjdpfx Aijymu Sgsfsg ---- — Model Year: 2024 — Engine / Chassis: Fiat Ducato 2.2 l Multijet — Output: 103 kW / 140 hp — Transmission: Automatic — Mileage: 200 km — Permissible Gross Weight: 3,850 kg — Bed(s): Drop-down bed, single beds — Seating group: Mid-lounge — Upholstery: Catania Pure — Wood decor: Sandy Grey ----SPECIAL EQUIPMENT: — Fiat Ducato Multijet 3 - 2.2 L - 140 hp - Euro VI E - Automatic transmission — LED high and low beam headlights — All-season tyres — Isofix system for two child seats — Integrated pleated honeycomb cab blinds with insulation — Wastewater tank heated by heating coil — Pre-installation for air conditioning, satellite, and solar — Flat screen TV mount — Harmony Line Package Lyseo I (I 690 G, I 726 G, I 727 G, I 736): 16" alloy wheels, Premium XL habitation door incl. central locking for driver's and habitation doors, window, insect protection roller blind and charging station for Homelight, indirect lighting beneath worktop, 50 x 70 cm roof window with blackout blind and insect protection, entrance element with design decor, garage door left side, rear bumper with chrome applications, backlit mirror in bathroom, indirect lighting: drop-down bed front shelf, shower column, entrance element, bed headboard, lighting above bathroom washbasin, under-shelf lighting in driver’s side lounge overhead lockers, kitchen and rear bed, indirect lighting for drop-down bed (only with drop-down bed), Home Light cordless lamp, combination external socket 230 V / 12 V / TV pre-wiring, radiator grille with chrome applications, leather steering wheel and gear knob, fog lights, "Harmony Line" embroidered upholstery, Harmony Line exterior graphics, Traction Plus, Variorollos. — Fiat Comfort Package (Techno dashboard enhancement, digital multi-function cockpit) -----Including comprehensive standard equipment. Subject to errors and prior sale. // We do not guarantee that all information is complete, correct, or up to date at all times. All details may be added to, removed, or changed without prior notice. ----Specification, prior sale, and errors excepted! ----created with SYSCARA